the bottom line here, microsoft has missed so many important things in technology. blew it on the tablet. blew it on the mobile device. >> they play catchup all the time. >> now they're even losing market share when it comes to their main business. android also taking some market share there. a lot of people wonder if the death of the pc is going to mean even worse things from microsoft. i mean, sometimes great companies are not great stocks. >> well, they're a mature company. we all know that. they're a very big company. they're a very rich company, but they're not the fastest, most entrepreneurial company. >> does microsoft, the name, resonate with your kids? >> not anymore. >> the way google, the way apple does? >> used to. xbox was big in our house. not anymore. halo 4 selling well, but it's not as big as -- we mentioned that "black ops 2" game. it's supposed to be the biggest in the world right now. it's outselling "halo 4." >> that's their key to the consumer, the video game part of the business. >> well, we'll see what's up their sleeve next. we'll take a bre